and they're stuck there? >> currently, you mean? >> no, no, no, not currently. if there is no death penalty, they don't relinquish their right to go through a court process. >> but now there's an automatic appeal for everybody on death row, so they have lawyers provided to them and the state pays for it. not very much, but they do. that would go away. they wouldn't be entitled to that. they would have to do it on their own. >> it has been interesting to me that the argument, which in the past has been almost exclusively a moral issue, an ethical issue. you know, should the state be executing people, no matter what their crime is. and it's gone from that to an economic issue. >> well, and i think that's because -- >> it made it more effective. it's a much better argument. >> i'm sure they based that on the polling and the focus groups show that that is the most effective argument. everyone knows the state is broke so if you end the death penalty, the state would save about $130 million a year.